They should be consistent with top few from LL heavies:1 Sr Agosto, Jordan Danbury - 2 So Weiner, Matt Shelton -3 Sr Houston, Jaylin New Haven 4 Sr Rizy, Jacob StaplesOtherwise it looks idiotic to have the inconsistency.
SCCs: Matt Weiner v. Minsok Lee- Who will win that one?
Weiner by pin
Who won tonight Rizy or Weiner?
Shoreline Scuffle in Branford was a great tournament for the bigs. There were a bunch of outstanding matches with very active HWT wrestling. Minsok Lee (285 Branford M) was very good in front of the home crowd--I'm not sure king kong could have beaten him that day at home. Lee won decisions over Clay (285 New Canaan L) in the Semis and Weiner (285 Shelton LL) in the Final--both matches came down to the final 20 seconds. Weiner beat Evan Highley (285 East Lyme L) by pin. Clay also won a dec. over Highley.
With Weiner having a close match with Houston 4-1 and demolishing Mass No. 1 from Agowam 12-3, we should have a very good year for CT heavies.
285Matt Weiner Shelton, CT (Shelton) DEC Jaylin Houston New Haven, CT (New Haven), 4-1
It all depends on the starting point. If we start with last year's open results, you would still have Perry at the top--it would be dicey since if Rizy beats Houston, he should be above, but he has 2 losses this year to Agosto who hasn't faced Houston.... you get the circular logic problem.
If we go with the eye test and this year's results only, then Agosto-Weiner 1,2. Perry has wins over Lee and Martin this year and hasn't yet lost to a CT wrestler. He should be above Lee, and based on this year only, probably above Rizy. So I guess I would go:
With Rizy's last Open win over Perry, I could switch 3/4. The year-to-year ranking memory makes more sense with the smaller wrestlers than with the Bigs. Perry is close to 285 lbs. this year and a lot stronger physically than last year. I would probably pick him over Rizy head-to-head, but can be convinced otherwise. I think things will clear up with more results. I also think it is a bit silly to only rank to 6 places in Open, but I guess we argue enough over 6.
How about this if Rizy beats Houston:
HM: St. Peter, Perry, Martin, Fuerstenberg
When did McIver beat Rizy? I missed that result. I agree this should be a good year for CT heavies. I think last years only one CT heavy (Minski) placed at NEs (6th). This year I think CT may have 3 NE placers and, if not, definitely 2.
State open rankings as a whole aren’t even worth paying attention to as of now since whoever has control of them hasn’t done a thing to give a damn and upgrade them. Until they get updated properly across the board this isn’t even worth arguing. Innocent Bystandard does bring up a good point. This should have nothing to do with past years results this far into our season when current season head to head results are available. Last season results are only used as a basis to project rankings at the start of the season. Lots of kids train in the off season and get much better , and should be ranked on their current results. Now that being said, Matt Ryan hasn’t gone h2h with any of these boys yet except for Rizy , who he lost to this year but did go 3-1 with Weiner in LL last year. I think he deserves a HM a least. Personally I know Jordan , and Matt W and think they both are going to do very well this year. Wouldn’t be surprised to see them in the open finals, but Rizy looks very strong and I think is the most physically fit so he could always pull out a win. The Staples coaches are doing great things with that program. I’m actually excited to see heavy weights this year at class championships and opens. Previous years has been dreadfully painful! Glad to see the big boys stepping up!
January 22- Weiner wrestles Houston at New Haven.
I think Weiner will win by pin. As for all the rankings on this site, I think it is more important for those involved to try and make sure they get the top 6 wrestlers in each weight class identified than the actual order since we all know that what really matters is how the boys do at Opens.
Rizy pinned Perry in one minute at opens so he should have a higher ranking unless head to head dictates otherwise.
I put Perry above Lee, having pinned him head-to-head this year.
HM: Perry, Reskanski, St. Peter
I somewhat agree with you though the Open ranks have not always been consistent with the Class ranks. Houston Beat Agosto head-to-head in the open last year. Of the returning 285 class, Houston, Agosto, Weiner, Rizy would be the order based solely on the last open. I agree Houston has not been great this year--he's lost to Minsok Lee (Branford) twice. It seems Minsok Lee got a "pass" as far as prior results go and went straight to the top (despite getting handled by Thomas Perry of H-K).
If I were betting between Houston and Agosto, I'd go with Agosto--he's gotten better and seeks the best competition.
How do you think they should handicap that Houston beat Agosto 7-0 in the Open final last year for the rankings? Where do you think Lee (Branford) fits in? What about Thomas Perry of H-K? I think he is definitely a top 5 this year and already beat the current Open #1, but last year he wasn't great.
Note to Open Rankers:
Thomas Perry (1S) this season has victories over D'Sean Martin (2L who should be 1L), Minsook Lee (1 M, 1 Open), LeDuc (6th S), Ralsky (5M), Clay (6L))--seems Perry should be ranked in Open having beat the Open #1 as well as 2 of the top 5 RI HWTs (Sanford, Coventry RI & Giles, Chariho RI).